tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post7968958664566191120..comments2023-10-05T07:46:44.392-04:00Comments on And Now the Screaming Starts: Stuff: "Viva la femme" or "Rob Zombie hates you right back; but, unlike you, he gets to talk his smack in the Times."CRwMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07896615209770501945noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-2951675000310423912009-09-08T18:40:49.212-04:002009-09-08T18:40:49.212-04:00Screamin' Shon,
Interesting proposals. I must...Screamin' Shon,<br /><br />Interesting proposals. I must admit I only started pondering the issue myself and I'm hesitant to theorize with so little data.<br /><br />I do find it interesting for a bit of conventional book sellers wisdom that the trend would seem to overturn: namely, girls will read books about boys but boys won't read books about girls.<br /><br />In horror, to a degree, that doesn't seem to hold true.CRwMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07896615209770501945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-12754203086519002692009-09-08T18:35:54.629-04:002009-09-08T18:35:54.629-04:00Jeff,
Thanks for stopping by. It'll be intere...Jeff,<br /><br />Thanks for stopping by. It'll be interesting to see what, if any, the demographic shift has on horror.CRwMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07896615209770501945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-85500944183237591562009-09-08T18:20:41.019-04:002009-09-08T18:20:41.019-04:00...Just read the actual article. At least they ref......Just read the actual article. At least they reference Clover's book. This does seem like a trend that's been a long time coming, and not hard to understand, given how many horror films boast strong female leads.Jeff Allardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04265550466781988388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-49264675056306300472009-09-08T18:15:50.040-04:002009-09-08T18:15:50.040-04:00Is it really news anymore that women are into horr...Is it really news anymore that women are into horror? Since author Carol J. Clover exposed the feminist undercurrents of the horror genre in her 1992 book "Men, Women, and Chainsaws", I thought it was established that the horror genre was far from being strictly a "boy's club." <br /><br />As for RZ's laments about the state of horror, well, they'd have a lot more weight if he could create some films with some soul of their own instead of recycling the same trash-punk aesthetic over and over.Jeff Allardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04265550466781988388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-40088158379297052762009-09-08T16:58:06.979-04:002009-09-08T16:58:06.979-04:00it is a fascinating trend. I have a few first imp...it is a fascinating trend. I have a few first impressions.<br /><br />One, I think that the sexism that women deal with makes them sympathetic to a movie where people are victimized. <br /><br />Two, I think Cody actually has a good point about the Final Girl syndrome. My wife and I watched a marathon of 70's horror earlier this year and we were pleasantly surprised how many heroines there were. <br /><br />Three, I'm going to annoy people by suggesting that Horror, even bad Horror, is a cerebral thing. It is a mood and a condition. I think while stereotypical male audiences want Michael Bay, stereotypical female audiences want a freaking plot.Shon Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17575804400275943927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-46873642071126345502009-09-08T09:40:25.411-04:002009-09-08T09:40:25.411-04:00Madelon,
Good points all. And that last point esp...Madelon,<br /><br />Good points all. And that last point especially, given that we don't have a source for the writer's claim or the raw data to look at, deserves a comment in the post itself.CRwMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07896615209770501945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-74060663638257787232009-09-07T17:09:30.773-04:002009-09-07T17:09:30.773-04:00I wonder if the "why do women like horror&quo...I wonder if the "why do women like horror" viewpoint is actually a valid one. Currently, I'm taking a PhD, which focuses on the reasons behind the enjoyment of horror, looking at the entire audience instead of gender groups.<br /><br />If we look at the existing body of theories as to why horror is enjoyable, there are still a lot of skewed ideas out there. The best (or worst) I came across comes from James Twitchell (writing in 1985), who identifies the horror audience as adolescent male. Women are not supposed to have any interest in the genre whatsoever, and any men who still likes to watch horror movies after he turned 20 for anything other than academic interest is dubbed a pervert. Even in more scholarship we still find descriptions of the horror audience as a whole being 'atypical'.<br /><br />Besides these classic (and still prevalent) stereotypes, horror theory rarely extends beyond the discussion of novels and movies, leaving out areas of theatre and scare attractions, which pose their own problems (and are the focus of my research). In my opinion, there is still a lot of work to be done regarding horror theory in general, before we focus on the gender issues. Secondly, speaking as a female horror fan, I sincerely doubt as to whether the motivations of women for watching and enjoying horror will turn out to be all that different from those of the male audience.<br /><br />As a final thought: where does this shift exists? Are the actual numbers of female viewers growing, or are those of the male audience declining..?Madelonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-69313877398926386402009-09-07T15:01:09.479-04:002009-09-07T15:01:09.479-04:00Sean,
Thanks for the head's up. I wonder whic...Sean,<br /><br />Thanks for the head's up. I wonder which usage came first.CRwMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07896615209770501945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-58601917527491666062009-09-07T13:26:45.212-04:002009-09-07T13:26:45.212-04:00FWIW, Twatlight is also the name of a pretty boist...FWIW, Twatlight is also the name of a pretty boisterous and self-mocking all-female Twilight fan community offshoot of the very popular LJ gossip site Oh No They Didn't. I guess the word has been reclaimed.Sean T. Collinshttp://www.alltooflat.com/about/personal/seannoreply@blogger.com