tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post3610205909594778796..comments2023-10-05T07:46:44.392-04:00Comments on And Now the Screaming Starts: Movies: Advice for time travelers, Part 2.CRwMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07896615209770501945noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-8770318219818830222010-04-04T07:58:24.560-04:002010-04-04T07:58:24.560-04:00OK, based on the fact that you found this interest...OK, based on the fact that you found this interesting enough to write two full posts on it, I decided to watch it. So why don't I feel like I saw a coherent, completely interesting movie? I think it's down to the way the ending was fumbled. Your entire thesis, which makes fascinating reading by the way (more interesting in its own way than the movie) is based on Jess being an aware protagonist, attempting to overcome the loop she's trapped in. So why, in the FINAL MINUTES, did the creators of Triangle see fit to introduce a Spooky Taxi Driver as deus ex machina? If Jess had run from her crash, flagged down a cab and begged to be taken to the harbour, in a crazy rush to jump the yacht and try to make things come out right this time, I'd buy it. The Carnival of Souls-type dreamy vagueness of this ending negates any illusory free will that Jess could otherwise have possessed. I waited through the whole movie in a state of impatient watchfulness (partly because I found it mildly dull, on a shot-by-shot basis, up until the alley full of Sallys, the film's one and only really original moment - which is fine, many horror movies don't even have one), waiting for something to chew on, and when they finally gave me something, in the final furlong, they really snatched it away again... Disappointing, but not disheartening, just a bit odd and fumbled.Paulhttp://www.screenworks.ienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-42798082593736693572010-03-20T17:12:29.011-04:002010-03-20T17:12:29.011-04:00'Time Crimes' has a similar loop, which st...'Time Crimes' has a similar loop, which starts when a man stumbles onto a time experiment happening close to his house. I enjoyed it at the time but now it feels like a rough draft compared to Triangle. If you like time travel, you should check it out.Shon Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17575804400275943927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-23470437465180973442010-03-20T16:34:52.177-04:002010-03-20T16:34:52.177-04:00Scry,
Thanks for the Egan hint. I must admit to c...Scry,<br /><br />Thanks for the Egan hint. I must admit to complete ignorance of his work, but I am most definitely on a time travel and its implications bender of late. I'll look into it.CRwMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07896615209770501945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-18017949570408354702010-03-20T16:33:35.116-04:002010-03-20T16:33:35.116-04:00Shon,
I have not seen Time Crimes, though I'm...Shon,<br /><br />I have not seen Time Crimes, though I'm on a time travel kick of late. Should I add it to my queue?CRwMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07896615209770501945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-72200996890628547612010-03-20T04:07:21.601-04:002010-03-20T04:07:21.601-04:00Hey, Greg Egan's novel _Quarantine_ has anothe...Hey, Greg Egan's novel _Quarantine_ has another take on this if you want to continue your fictional MW quantum theory binge. It has a few more of the wires showing, as per genre convention (ie it's SF rather than horror).<br /><br />Also, if the ship is a jinni but the fuel is not, how is the fuel getting refilled? Is that just the most literal way in which the universe is feeding energy into it, ie, periodically another tankful of hydrocarbons appears? (And we thought Peak Oil looked messy when we where just using it up ourselves, let alone having freaky many world time travelling artifacts sucking it up in the relative present.)<br /><br />I also like the implication that the ship is some sort of freaky organism that has evolved in the nutrient rich crevasses of the multiverse.Scrymarchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-45482995725018772932010-03-19T21:11:37.637-04:002010-03-19T21:11:37.637-04:00Jess seemed a bit fixated on killing as a solution...Jess seemed a bit fixated on killing as a solution. I think it was a good peek into what kind of woman she really was. <br /><br />I think your Jinni theory is pure genius. That is a very fascinating concept, and it actually explains a lot.<br /><br />By the way, have you seen the Spanish movie, 'Time Crimes'?Shon Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17575804400275943927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-50532501791815328052010-03-18T11:14:11.325-04:002010-03-18T11:14:11.325-04:00Anony,
In a MWI scenario case, jumping straight t...Anony,<br /><br />In a MWI scenario case, jumping straight to crazy wouldn't hurt. You'd just skip to pattern breaking.<br /><br />However, in other cases, it might. In <i>Groundhog Day</i>, for instance, not getting the odd moral of the trap delays Murray's character's escape from the trap. Insomuch as lost time - Murray would be "aging" even if only in the sense that his noggin is filling up with more and more memories - is a negative, going crazy without knowing what it may or may not do caused harm.<br /><br />That's why I suggest some non-drastic test of the situation first. But if you're feeling particularly bold, go ahead and freak out, amigo.CRwMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07896615209770501945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-53627592770281387222010-03-18T10:00:05.907-04:002010-03-18T10:00:05.907-04:00Isn't going crazy already a pile test in itsel...Isn't going crazy already a pile test in itself? In a "Groundhog day" scenario everything will be rest anyway and otherwise going crazy was the way to go all along.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-2953809458789717562010-03-18T09:48:16.590-04:002010-03-18T09:48:16.590-04:00olleh niaga.olleh niaga.CRwMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07896615209770501945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-21148523973494742652010-03-17T20:56:06.413-04:002010-03-17T20:56:06.413-04:00ih?ih?The Igloo Keeperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17357749925165000647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-5837840456564249052010-03-17T17:25:24.193-04:002010-03-17T17:25:24.193-04:00The contrarian answer ignored the first part of th...The contrarian answer ignored the first part of the plan. <br /><br />The go crazy thing would only work if you've successfully done a pile test. Creating a small pile shows that you're free from the self-consistency trap and are operating within an alterable context.<br /><br />In <i>Groundhog Day</i>, Murray couldn't have successfully completed a pile test because his day restarts every morning. It's a different time travel paradigm. You can go crazy whenever you want, but it won't affect anything unless you're in a MWI situation and you can break the pattern.CRwMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07896615209770501945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-80584637785850186242010-03-17T14:50:31.754-04:002010-03-17T14:50:31.754-04:00And I think the contrarian answer is crazy doesn&#...And I think the contrarian answer is crazy doesn't always work.. In <i>Ground Hog Day</i>, Murray tried crazy a number of times to no avail eventually having to figure out through repeated trial/error what he needed to do to get out..Sasquatchannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-11266822646554747252010-03-17T10:57:28.776-04:002010-03-17T10:57:28.776-04:00For multi-worlds, you gotta mention Jet Li's &...For multi-worlds, you gotta mention Jet Li's "The One" ..Sasquatchannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34993991.post-51319947203678563412010-03-17T09:45:40.031-04:002010-03-17T09:45:40.031-04:00Why the need for the pile check? Going crazy shoul...Why the need for the pile check? Going crazy should always be an option.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com